Oracle of Delphi
KC Hill
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Craig HillThe Women From M.O.S.T.E.S.T. (This ain’t no post jest...)
November 13th 2006 09:43
Member(s) of the Order of Solidarity of The Equal Sister Tribe.
This post was inspired by K.L. Almeroth’s post ‘The Feminist Romance Writer...An Oxymoron?’ (link provided).
K.L. (mah GPMBsistah) is an unabashed ‘girlie-girl’. She is also a feminist. Perfect combination. How can one be a feminist if one is not best friends with their femininity?
So...not an oxymoron at all.
I’ll give you an oxymoron. Feminists who hate females.
I don’t get it.
(K.L. I’m ‘stealing’ some words from the comment I left...)
I don't get 'bimbo'.
I don't get why women use this word to describe another female. Isn’t this an Italian word for a young male child? So when a female is acting like a bimbo, she’s acting like a baby boy?? Huh?
Kinda makes sense...kidding.
This is not a male bashing Order. We love men. Can’t live without them. Just because they have 2 less letters, doesn’t make them less human...
I don't get why woman and feminist are 2 separate (state of) beings.
And why do feminine and feminist have such a gulf between them?
Why do females hate other females for choosing to be the kind of females they are? Who made the rules as to what constitutes being a woman? Why do we look down our noses at females who don’t match the individual standards we choose to live by?
And this...and I am very guilty of doing this...why do we/I justify my womanly strength by giving it supposed masculine attributes?
Why, when trying to assert myself as a force to be reckoned with, do I become an apologist for that side of me which loves all the accouterments and embellishments and traits that make being a female so much fun.... and try to make the side of me that loves rugby and cars and motorbikes and martial arts and action movies and comic books and wants to be a Jedi...the defining part of me? The "strong" part of me?
*for a great post on 'Strong Women' read this by AG (link highlighted in teal)
What is feminism anyway? What is it to you?
I thought feminism was about being true to whatever you wish to be...without hating what other women are.
Feminism was supposed to make life better for us. We united, we made a stand, we fought for our right to be heard and respected, Helen Reddy sang our anthem.
Feminism was supposed to give us options. No matter what the lifestyle or belief. As long as we upheld the promise that we were doing this because we can, and it fulfills our potential.
Feminism wasn’t supposed to make us dislike each other.
We’ve broken the glass ceiling but damn how many levels does this glasshouse have?
It’s been a hard, rocky road we have traveled. The road is paved now but there’s still potholes. It’s still not that easy.
It’s hard enough having to still justify our ambidextrous hands in every pie, in a still strangely male driven world without having to shield ourselves from friendly fire.
Why do we turn on each other?
Why do we take the loyal nature of a dog and the independent nature of a cat and create a horrible hybrid – a catty bitch?
And WHY do we this over men?
If you don’t like someone...in the physical world or in the cyber world...fine, whatever, don’t like them. It’s human nature anyway to not like everybody. We wouldn’t have different types of personalities otherwise.
...But please my sister, do not attack another woman by waxing cynical about her lack of your attributes. Or vice versa.
Damn. We are just so cruel to each other. We use our endowment of feminism as a filtering system to feel better about ourselves.
Why has feminism become another form of legislation to inflict censorship?
Why, as feminists, must we label and restrict ourselves?
Why, as women, must we put a periphery around what a woman is?
Cripes. This is the problem with writing without thought or structure...you don’t really make any sense in getting to a point. Forgive me, I’m a journalist, sometimes I get tired writing in structure. This is the way I rebel. Ha. Rebel without clause...
My point is...let's join together and stand united as women with the MOSTEST.
The only requisites...leave your putdowns at the door, raise your glass roof (just take it right off) and repeat after me;
"I promise to never say anything derogatory about Kate Moss, Paris Hilton and Victoria Beckham."
No. Damn...that's too hard. Okay forget it. Just be who you are. A Fem-Ally.
I’m spreading the rich butter of MOSTEST the Gamma way.
In my world...we are all GammaWomen...and GammaWolves.
K.L., Andrea and I are founding members of MOSTEST on Orble. My non Orble soulsisters are here too.
Anyone else care to join? Males welcome.
Member (or Male) of the Order of Solidarity of The Equal Sister Tribe.
*No intoxicating beverages were drunk during the writing of this diatribe. Okay...maybe one glass.
MOSTEST
This post was inspired by K.L. Almeroth’s post ‘The Feminist Romance Writer...An Oxymoron?’ (link provided).
K.L. (mah GPMBsistah) is an unabashed ‘girlie-girl’. She is also a feminist. Perfect combination. How can one be a feminist if one is not best friends with their femininity?
So...not an oxymoron at all.
I’ll give you an oxymoron. Feminists who hate females.
I don’t get it.
(K.L. I’m ‘stealing’ some words from the comment I left...)
I don't get 'bimbo'.
I don't get why women use this word to describe another female. Isn’t this an Italian word for a young male child? So when a female is acting like a bimbo, she’s acting like a baby boy?? Huh?
Kinda makes sense...kidding.
This is not a male bashing Order. We love men. Can’t live without them. Just because they have 2 less letters, doesn’t make them less human...
I don't get why woman and feminist are 2 separate (state of) beings.
And why do feminine and feminist have such a gulf between them?
Why do females hate other females for choosing to be the kind of females they are? Who made the rules as to what constitutes being a woman? Why do we look down our noses at females who don’t match the individual standards we choose to live by?
And this...and I am very guilty of doing this...why do we/I justify my womanly strength by giving it supposed masculine attributes?
Why, when trying to assert myself as a force to be reckoned with, do I become an apologist for that side of me which loves all the accouterments and embellishments and traits that make being a female so much fun.... and try to make the side of me that loves rugby and cars and motorbikes and martial arts and action movies and comic books and wants to be a Jedi...the defining part of me? The "strong" part of me?
*for a great post on 'Strong Women' read this by AG (link highlighted in teal)
What is feminism anyway? What is it to you?
I thought feminism was about being true to whatever you wish to be...without hating what other women are.
Feminism was supposed to make life better for us. We united, we made a stand, we fought for our right to be heard and respected, Helen Reddy sang our anthem.
Feminism was supposed to give us options. No matter what the lifestyle or belief. As long as we upheld the promise that we were doing this because we can, and it fulfills our potential.
Feminism wasn’t supposed to make us dislike each other.
We’ve broken the glass ceiling but damn how many levels does this glasshouse have?
It’s been a hard, rocky road we have traveled. The road is paved now but there’s still potholes. It’s still not that easy.
It’s hard enough having to still justify our ambidextrous hands in every pie, in a still strangely male driven world without having to shield ourselves from friendly fire.
Why do we turn on each other?
Why do we take the loyal nature of a dog and the independent nature of a cat and create a horrible hybrid – a catty bitch?
And WHY do we this over men?
If you don’t like someone...in the physical world or in the cyber world...fine, whatever, don’t like them. It’s human nature anyway to not like everybody. We wouldn’t have different types of personalities otherwise.
...But please my sister, do not attack another woman by waxing cynical about her lack of your attributes. Or vice versa.
Damn. We are just so cruel to each other. We use our endowment of feminism as a filtering system to feel better about ourselves.
Why has feminism become another form of legislation to inflict censorship?
Why, as feminists, must we label and restrict ourselves?
Why, as women, must we put a periphery around what a woman is?
Cripes. This is the problem with writing without thought or structure...you don’t really make any sense in getting to a point. Forgive me, I’m a journalist, sometimes I get tired writing in structure. This is the way I rebel. Ha. Rebel without clause...
My point is...let's join together and stand united as women with the MOSTEST.
The only requisites...leave your putdowns at the door, raise your glass roof (just take it right off) and repeat after me;
"I promise to never say anything derogatory about Kate Moss, Paris Hilton and Victoria Beckham."
No. Damn...that's too hard. Okay forget it. Just be who you are. A Fem-Ally.
I’m spreading the rich butter of MOSTEST the Gamma way.
In my world...we are all GammaWomen...and GammaWolves.
K.L., Andrea and I are founding members of MOSTEST on Orble. My non Orble soulsisters are here too.
Anyone else care to join? Males welcome.
Member (or Male) of the Order of Solidarity of The Equal Sister Tribe.
*No intoxicating beverages were drunk during the writing of this diatribe. Okay...maybe one glass.
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Comment by K.L. Almeroth
Motherhood
To the Queen Dusk,
Yes, you have become Queen...we all should hail you, cause you are wonderful, and beautiful, and the crowning Founder of MOSTEST!
Looove this post...not only because I feature in it, but because of all you've said.
I can't handle women like Greer. She is most definately mental. Whoops, is that un-MOSTEST like of me? Probably. But she's still mental.
I have (or had...don't have so many friends now!) a lot of male friends, and have had male friends my whole life. Mainly because women can be so damn bitchy and turn on you in a second (generally speaking, that is).
We do need to band together, like you're saying, and respect and like and support one another.
You are the best at supporting other people, Dusk. You are the bomb!!
Now, your post deserves the highest honour...which is me coming back here later tonight, and reading it while I drink a glass of pink champagne...
That is the highest honour there is.
Your sister always,
K.L.
Comment by Andrea
V8 Supercar Pitstop
I stand in awe and honour of your post. What fantastic words (although, you're right, the motto left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth ... Paris Hilton!???!)
No-one has ever made me think more about the concept of feminism as you have with your words both here and on K.L.'s original post. You are so right.
I would like to ditto everything that K.L. just said and add that I am honoured to be considered a joint founding member of the awesome tribe of MOSTEST sisters.
Together in harmony and peace. MOSTEST rules.
A.H.
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
I am not the Queen, not even a queen...defeats the point of MOSTEST.
We are all Queenly...regal and noble and majestic however we wish to show and live our divine right to be Woman.
I had originally written something about Germaine Greer. I do not understand this person. How she can proclaim she is a Feminist and then freely admit she hates her own gender, beats me.
Another so called feminist who is really scary; Andrea Dworkin...oh wow...she is so bitter, although she hates on an equal plane...she hates women as much as she hates men.
I think the beauty of being MOSTEST is that you can still admit/profess/shout out loud to not liking someone... because face it, we're really not going to like everyone, are we?
People for all their beauty can be downright annoying!!
BUT we shouldn't not like someone because of the way they choose to live out their gender role. Female or male.
UNLESS they give their gender a bad name.
Then it's a free for all!!!
Is that hypocrisy? It is isn't it?
What do I mean by that anyway? Give their gender a bad name?
Perhaps if the person is living their life based on a lie. Not fact just friction.
I don't know. I'm not always good and true to the MOSTEST creed.
...I mean, everytime I see Victoria Beckham, I think...why? Why are you the way you are? Why do you always look so uncomfortable in your designer wear? Why do you think being 'Posh' means being unhappy? Actually I use worse language than that...but I'm trying to be MOSTEST!!
Likewise Kate Moss. I don't get why she is a role model. She's a fashion model. I love fashion but big whoop. How is she an icon? And Sienna Miller...huh? And why did women (womens mags) only go ga-ga over Jennifer Anniston when she hooked up with Brad Pitt?
And why does Brad Pitt become the woman he is with? Does this make him a feminist?
I am not denying how sinfully pleasurable it can be to sit with a group of female friends and talk trash... "did you see what she was wearing?? Was that a skirt or a band-aid??", etc, etc
BUT why is the band-aid wearer "a slut" just because she has legs to flaunt?
Likewise, when women see another female surrounded by men who are all going a bit ga-ga (as they should...can see your male friends going ga-ga over you...can see males full stop going ga-ga over you!), why do the women always make disparaging comments as to why she may be getting all that attention?
I could go on and on about how we are our own worst enemies.
How do we expect men to treat us equal as we rightfuly are, when we don't treat each other this way?
Oh bloody hell...this has become a saga. Sorry my Golden Gamma Girl...I do carry on...
Do not get me wrong. I love love LOVE females and being a female.
I hate that I sometimes feel more accepted as a complete female, by men.
Isn't it saying something that the more secure you are within yourself the more appreciative you are of the beauty, magic and wonder of your gender...
yours in MOSTEST my sister
Dusk
ps. have to go buy a bottle of pink champagne...so please come back with yours!
Comment by K.L. Almeroth
Motherhood
To the Queenly Dusk Devi (not Queen, but Queenly...or how about Princessy? I love the word Princess....had a cat named Princess once...I loved her so much!! Won't tell you what happened to her.),
Firstly, with Posh...a classic photo I saw recently (yes, in a trashy magazine, but, oh, how I love trashy magazines) was the Beckhams all at this burger place, like McDonalds, but not, (like Krusty Burger, but not)and the boys are all pigging out, so's her husband....and she's refusing to eat!
What is up with that?? Give me a burger and a chips any day!!
She's depriving her children of a mother that actually eats....and what sort of example is she setting if she ever has a girl, since girls are more prone to anorexia and bulimia? She'd be a terrible example.
And Kate Moss...I loathe the fact that someone who is doing cocaine is the face of cosmetics!! This is not a role model to teenage girls...in fact, it's almost sending the message to girls 'Do hard drugs, and you, too, can be a million dollar model'.
Makes me so mad!!!!!!!!!!
So here I am, acting all un-MOSTEST like...
But, like you, there are plenty more women out there I like and love....
Have a fabulous relationship with my sister...always have...and do have a couple of close girlfriends....
As usual, you've made my head swell again, with your lovely words...
I completely agree with what you've said about being more accepted as a female by men...soooo true. Why is that???
Well, my lovely sister, the bubba's about to wake, and I have not done any dishes...or housework for that matter!!!
Or writing (apart from on here! Orble is sooo addictive).
See you tonight, with the pink champagne!!
Your GPMBL sister,
K.L.
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
As you can see I got a bit carried away above...
The whole Queen thing...what I said above may sound naff but I do firmly believe it.
I don't just believe it, I know it...we are all Queenly. Being Queenly has got nothing to do with power over others but power within oneself.
No one is above the other. We're just different is all. 5 fingers...or 4 fingers, 1 thumb...on a fist.
Yikes. Am I becoming a total cliche or what??
Next thing you know, I'll be renouncing my worldly goods and heading off to find inner peace on a remote mountain somewhere.
Might take my vintage boots with me.
I am so chuffed you came to read the opening post of MOSTEST. It's so right that you and K.L are the opening comments.
I read in K.L.'s post, you are pregnant...I hope you are well...if I remember correctly, you have 2 children...so I take it you're also flat out! Just not off your feet.
I hope we can get others to join us...I love this Andrea...in harmony and peace, in MOSTEST.
yours in MOSTEST
DuskDevi
ps. can you think of a motto/slogan that best describes the MOSTEST creed?
I'm coming up with all sorts of stuff that are still limiting in meaning...that's not what we are...we are not limited...we are unlimited.
Comment by KylieW
Celebrity Obsession
What outstanding work!
We females do have to stick together. Nobody is harder on a woman, than another woman. And I have to put up my and hand and admint I'm definitely guilty of it. I'm a much harsher judge of women, than I am of men.
However, it's something that I've become aware of and am trying to be more positive (when I catch myself being negative). We need to join together and support one another, not tear each other down!
Sign me up!
KylieW
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
Welcome KylieW...you are definitely MOSTEST.
I think all women are guilty of crimes against The Sisterhood. BUT as long as there is awareness there will be change.
Great to 'see' you.
DuskDevi
ps. any truth to that feline conspiracy theory??
Comment by Andrea
V8 Supercar Pitstop
Yes, I'm flat out in every sense of the word with two point three children. Hang on ... two point three ... doesn't that make me almost average?
Re the motto/slogan, we'll all have to put our thinking caps on and come up with a good one. Maybe including the word unlimited or maybe unlimiting.
Also want to welcome KylieW into the sisterhood.
The two main problems that I can see with women are jealousy and fear. Jealousy of another woman who we perceive as a threat and fear of not being a threat to someone else. Over the generations, the millenia, it's become ingrained into every woman's psyche.
MOSTEST is a great way to get the message out there that it's okay to be different, it's okay to like or dislike, it's okay to be truthful and it's okay to be the woman that you want to be. no constraints, no worries. Just don't be afraid.
Sometimes women dislike themselves a bit too much which makes them dislike other women. Sad but true.
Keep up the great work. I've put a lilttle link to this post on my site so hopefully that will help get the message across.
Peace and harmony, sisters. In MOSTEST!
A.H.
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
2.3 ...giggle...now that was an above average quip!...still giggling....
"Jealousy of another woman who we perceive as a threat and fear of not being a threat to someone else."
Oh wow, this is so true! I'm guilty of it. Not the feel 'jealousy of another woman' bit but the 'fear of not being a threat' bit.
It's not that I want to be a threat... I just don't want to be discarded as a nothing. So I assert myself in such a way as to appear to be a threat.
BUT I only do this when I feel another female deliberately discarding me. I get bemused, then disgruntled then I play the same silly game and then I feel sad that my ego has landed.
It's just not right but there you go....as you say...ingrained.
(phew...all this honesty is a bit draining...)
"no constraints, no worries. Just don't be afraid."
Absolutely!
Good work on the link (was going to say "thank you" but...I don't think of this as my post, it's our post...)
Ooh, like 'unlimited' somewhere in the motto.
M.O.S.T.E.S.T. - Woman UnLtd.
yours in MOSTEST
Dusk
Comment by Andrea
V8 Supercar Pitstop
We're all guilty of the jealousy (some more than others, of course) and the fear. That's why we're female. We now have to turn it around to make it work for us rather than against us.
You've started doing that with this post ...
Like the Woman UnLtd bit ... works well.
A.H.
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
Dusk
Comment by Lilla
From The Home Front
Enviro Warrior
Dream Herald
Esoteric Bookshop
Thanks for the invite... glad I came, it's a whopping good post.. I think the Itlaian baby boy is a Bambino.. but hey, I'm not counting...and those two less letters are because we have all the 'WO...'
I'm going to repeat myself more or less... [I've added a few bits and pieces]...(1) because I'm really bushed and (2) because I am really bushed... I'm cut'n'pasting what I wrote to Ag on your link...
women have had enough.. a classic example came yesterday when I was talking to an old grandmother of a drumming circle run by a prominant North American Indian who visits here often.
I said that I thought that drumming was a male thing and women weren't allowed to partake thereof. She said no, not true... why wasn't I surprised. She went on to tell me that in Native north American tribal practices the woman were the original drummers and they gave it to the men to do in order for them to be protected and the men abused it...and so they are taking it back... as women are doing with many things... of course there is an irony here because one could say tht the women shouldn't have gotten lazy in the first place.... maybe that's why they live longer...?
I don't know, I just know I like men... I'm not a man hater or anything, well unless he's trying to dominate my mind and actions...but I am independant, pay my own way and enjoy raising my children and doing my own housework. I guess that makes me an enigma these days...*lol*
But even though we trash each other and sometimes meow... well I don't but some of my 'real-time' sistah's do often - I'm a loner really... and a recluse... but that's anothr story... the point was that one has to ask at this point....despite the said trashy bitching that sometimes goes on....if women ran the world as men have done... would we have war?
I think we will soon find out....
Hope I'm not too far off the beam on your comments DD, I'm going to get dinner on and have an early night tonight...
Thanks for the solidarity... That's the point though, I think with women it's always there, isn't it... without saying...it's just that I like my mind and developing it any way I see fit. That's my luxury in life I s'pose... now I'm raving..
Hang in there, a new wave of spunks is coming soon...*Gosh, did I say that out loud?* Was that a sexist or feminist comment? Truly I am a faithful manogomous woman... no harm in looking though is there?
Lilla...
Comment by Nina
Though I should say that sometimes it can be okay to criticise other women, as long as its not done in a derogatory way. It should be done because we care, because we want other women to be the best they can be - solidarity, sister.
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
Thank you...I know how tired you are...so thank you for visiting and commenting and being.
Just a quick word before I too must retire for the night...well, retire from Orble...husband and children are a bit tired of hearing, "I'll be right back..."!
Yes, the solidarity is always there but we forget about it, hence the "friendly fire".
We forget to recognise that the thrum* of solidarity envelops us all, all the time...we recognise it when we are with the females we love and who love us but don't hear the thrum when we're with those we regard as unknown.
What does all that mean???
I'll explain and reply in length tomorrow.
Good night Lovely Lilla
Comment by K.L. Almeroth
Motherhood
Hi girls,
Okay, for one....can't help but feel I'm the only one on Orble right now, and the only one drinking pink champagne....
Okay, Dusk Devi, about the motto....got a couple of ideas....
How about: Think Pink????? Huh? Huh?
Or am I the only one that likes this?
Or lives by this motto? I know you, DD, live by this motto, too. You love pink!
Or, another idea: If we all just drank some Pink Champagne, we'd be a lot nicer to each other....
Okay, they're crap ideas, but it's all I can come up with...
To KylieW, can't think of a girl more deserving of being part of MOSTEST...
Same with Lilla.
To A.H., I completely agree with what you said about females. Why is it that women feel fear and resentment towards other women??
I must say, that you and DD are changing my mind on female friendships....you guys are true friends already, and I appreciate all your kindness and support and loving words. They mean the world to me.
MOSTEST does rock!!
K.L.
Comment by Andrea
V8 Supercar Pitstop
Oh, my raging hormones are taking over ... I think I'm going to cry. What lovely things to say.
It was a bit cruel to say that we should all drink Pink Champagne though ... I'm on the Diet Solo and cups of tea tonight. Hang on, doesn't that mean that I'm allowed to have a bitch!?!!? Hmmmm ... where should I start ...?
Sorry Dusk, only kidding.
To all you MOSTESTers out there drinking your Pink Champagne and thinking pink thoughts ... have a glass for me and have a happy one.
A.H.
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
I actually spent some time pondering at your latest post but could not figure out which TV character I identify with (link provided)...so left without saying hello (voted though!)
I agree on your criticism point...but this, criticism, is directed towards the person, the personality, not the female just because she is female and not you (not You you...the 'they' you...).
I have no problem taking criticism from a woman, not from a man either...as long as it's the ol' cliche... constructive and not destructive, directed to cut down my womanhood.
I have had moments of cattiness. I've judged other females solely on the length of their skirt. It doesn't matter if I'm wearing something revealing as well because I'm not acting like a "hussy" now am I???
I've looked down my nose at females who don't even know how to change a tyre (sorry sisters...I'm a petrolhead snob!).
I've made a joke at the expense of another female's ignorance...and I've really had to question why I felt the need to do this...in the past.
I changed. I woke up to my hypocrisy but stil...I've had my moments of absolute bitchdom like this time...
Okay, deep breath...confession time.
It was a Friday night and I was looking for parking in Sydney, which is akin to looking for a blue grain of sand in Saudi Arabia (what?).
I found one but perhaps a nanosecond after I saw it, a car coming the other way saw it.
So we played chicken for a while but..I let it go. I don't know why.
I pulled parallel to the other car and before I could say a word, the woman in the passenger seat started screaming at me that she's pregnant and they need the parking space because she can't walk, etc to which I said...and I directed this comment to her husband/partner...
"damn buddy...I feel sorry for you having to put up with that. No wonder you need to park, she's driving you crazy. Take it, I was just about to you tell that anyway."
So I drove away.
And I felt like s**t.
And I could not find a parking space until...I drove back into that street and...oh my God, this still kills me...I saw that woman and her man still in their car and the woman was bawling her eyes out.
My heart just fell. I could not believe that I let my anger and frustration get the better of me and I attacked this woman the way I did. From my high horse riding on ego. And I attacked her womanhood. I implied that she could not handle the abilities of her womanhood. Maybe not with my words but certainly with my tone.
I swear this is the truth. As soon as I felt this, a car pulled out of a space 2 cars down from where this couple was parked.
I parked my car and rushed out and went to the couple. As soon as the man saw me, he started shouting, "no, go away, leave her alone".
God, Nina, I felt so bad.
The woman was crying so hard.
I apologised to the man, said I needed to talk to his wife and he could obviously see my remorse because he stepped away and I knelt down and reached in to apologise to the woman.
I stayed with her for a while, said that I completely understood the state she was in and that although she had no right to yell at me the way she did, I had no right to attack her the way I did.
She was okay when I left them. But this has stayed in my mind since.
Don't know why I'm telling you (and everyone else) this. No, I'm not purging myself of guilt, trying to make myself better. Just reminding myself how easily I can succumb to not practising what I preach. I preach tolerance. Easy to do when I don't have to practise it.
That's it. I'm spent. You probably weren't expecting to be my Mother Confessor Nina, so apologies!
I thank you for visiting. And being a Sister in Solidarity.
I don't mean to get on a soapbox. This is not about being an individual by thinking alike.
I really don't know what it's about.
This is not about false emotion, forcing oneself to like another just because we should.
"It should be done because we care, because we want other women to be the best they can be"
You got it one Nina.
We're not Angels. We're not devils. We're just human. Lucky enough to be Women.
yours in MOSTEST
DuskDevi
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
Well K.L is...AH...go easy on the Diet Solo, heady stuff, remember what The Solo Man could do after one drink??
K.L. my sweet...I must confess I didn't have time to buy a pink bottle of happiness but I did have a lovely bottle of sparkling at home (never sit home without it...) so I wrapped the glass in a pink paper napkin and pretended!
We love and think pink but do the other sisters? Maybe this can be our personal motto...hang on...it already is! Yayyy!!
Can ya feel the love ladies??
This is what I'm talkin' bout!
K.L mah GammaPinkMOSTESTBrissyLucky sistah...I will speak with you tomorrow.
Dusk
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
MOSTEST advocates bitching for release and venting purposes and for truth, justice and lack of alcohol.
We veto bitching as a tirade against another woman's womanhood.
Umm Andrea...if you read my reply to Nina...don't metaphorically whack me over the head with the nearest um...whacker. I was an ass.
Good night my MOSTEST sister
Dusk
*refer Jean M Auel's sagas...Andrea knows what I mean.
Comment by Nina
Oh, and if you do think of a character that you identify with, hop on over to my site - I'd love to hear what you come up with.
Comment by Lily
Ars Poetica
i'm signed, sealed and will deliver later as i have to go to work (male dominated - one male, my boss, who is hardly ever there) lol
I'll read the 'whole' thread then..
~Queen of Lilyland
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
I've put the wax seal on your membership.
So Lily Queen of Lilyland, I dub thee MOSTEST.
Your boss...best kind of boss...
'See' us when you get back.
DuskDevi
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
...and thank you...for your kind words...and for getting through the saga of my confession!
I seem to have a problem with short and sweet answers...so even though your moniker is '..babble', tis I that babbles the most!
DuskDevi resident of The Haranguing Gardens of Babble-on!
Will visit you soon, still can't come up with anything... Any characters that just go on and on and on...Yes! The Energiser Bunny!!
Speak with you soon Nina
DuskDevi
Comment by K.L. Almeroth
Motherhood
To my girls...
Oh, DuskD, do not carry around this guilt about this woman...
She was horrible in the first place to you. I know that doesn't mean you should retaliate...well, maybe sometimes it does! Sorry, have I just been evicted from MOSTEST??
It is time to go...K.L.!
No, seriously, I hate thinking you carry this around, when you're the most loveliest human being on the planet....
And A.H....I am sooo sorry for all the pink champagne comments....I know it must be driving you crazy!! Sorry, sorry! It's just so ingrained in me, this obsession with the stuff!!
But if it makes you feel any better, it will be another month before I touch the stuff again (unfortunately)....gotta try this baby-making thing all over again!!
And, with any luck, I won't be able to touch the stuff for another 9 months!!
Sweet dreams, my sweet ladies,
K.L.
Comment by Andrea
V8 Supercar Pitstop
You flatter me with the Donii remark, I feel a bit of a big head coming on. Maybe people will start depicting me with little statues and ornaments.
As to your comment to Nina, all I can do is reiterate her reply to you ... you may be a founding member and staunch supporter of all things MOSTEST, however you are also human. Don't forget, pregnancy makes your hormones go wild and that woman was probably just having a hormone-ravaged moment..
There! Managed to get that done without bitching ... damn, I'm getting good at this. Okay, it's time to go ... I have to go and vent my repressed bitchiness at the woman on Play School. I'm sure she's doing something I can bitch about!
And if she's not ... well I'm not adverse to making something up ... just this once.
Have a great day, UnLtd Sis.
Your Donii friend, A.H.
Comment by Andrea
V8 Supercar Pitstop
My fingers and toes are crossed for you and your endeavour, even though you do seem to delight in making me jealous of your bubbles.
Just you wait ... mine will be born before yours, you know and then the bubbles will be tickling my nose instead. Ha.
Sorry, now I think it's my turn to be disciplined by the MOSTEST Fairy. I will begin my 100 lines now in punishment ... "I promise to never be a bitch to a MOSTEST sister again. I promise ...etc etc".
A good day to you too.
A.H.
Comment by K.L. Almeroth
Motherhood
A.H.
I know, this whole champagne thing will do an about face....
Then, I promise, you can torture me all you want with comments on pink champagne....till I'm driven crazy!
Thanks for your kind, kind words....
You are sooooo NOT a bitch. The furtherest thing from it....sorry if that disappointed you. Sometimes I like thinking of myself as a bitch....all tough-like, and untouchable....
Whoops....the MOSTEST girls keep slipping up! Not living up to their Order Code!!!!
See ya, girls....just may think about doing another post while my little darling is asleep....instead of commenting all the time!!
K.L.
Comment by Lily
Ars Poetica
MOSTEST advocates bitching for release and venting purposes and for truth, justice and lack of alcohol.
laffin' hard.. at work (thank god bossman isn't here, although the other office dwellers will be able to hear me, but then the women next door, ssshhh -- another time)
i wanna feel some more loooooove sistahs, what about how beautiful and gorgeous we all are, no matter what we look like, or how we measure up (to whom or whatever) or believe in?? (i'm sure there's so much more)
I'm curious as to why women call themselves, feminist.
What does that mean exactly ..to be a feminist?
btw K.L. ~ Madieuri (spelling?) and Champagne' .. is delish.. green but delish..
~Lily
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
Ahh yes...the F-word...where does it come from? What does it mean?
Feminist - The Most Feminine? (femininist just starts getting too hard)
Seriously though...good question...believe it or not, a man coined the term! Cannot remember his name but he was French.
It is interesting that we still have need for this word.
I just might start a MOSTEST blog...so that all MOSTEST sisters can post to it. Yes there is so much more.
I am a bit mad at myself that I didn't touch on the hit or myth idea of beauty Lily.
Very frustrating topic.
Womens magazines for instance.
They carry on and on and on about how we should accept ourselves, love ourselves, we are all beautiful...yet turn the page and they have 10yos modeling the latest clothing.
OR they congratulate themselves on showing 'real' women of gasp 'normal size' (whatever that is) and describe models like Giselle Bundchen as voluptuous.
Huh? Giselle is incredibly gorgeous but the only thing voluptuous about her is her volume moussed hair.
But that's another post...
I do not understand why we size each other up and find ourselves to be lacking.
I love looking at women, I really do, all women, all shapes, all sizes...but this just makes me appreciate how amazing we all are. Not less appreciative of what I am.
What makes us all beautiful is truly what is inside.
Naff, naff, naff..yes, I know but so f**king true.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder yet so many of look in the mirror with hatred.
Actually...Lily...I have to stop...this topic is making my love congeal!!
I have to write a post about this.
This comment is going haywire because I'm supposed to be working on an article that is due today and prior to me joining Orble would have been finished ages ago!
Bonus that I work from home.
Bogus that it is soooo easy to just switch working windows....
Plus you and I have been at Homer's...wow, you two know each other...that is so cool...I wish you had read my post about friendships outside of the Or-bubble (link provided....just in case...)
The Women of MOSTEST are Women. Full stop.
Nice to see you Lily. Be within reach.
yours in MOSTEST
DuskDevi
Comment by Lily
Ars Poetica
naff naff aside, that cliche would have to be the most under-rated comment i've ever heard, well for now anyway.. .to take that one step further, not everyone has beauty inside.
Normal, i detest 'that' word, it conjures up comparisons straight away. Normal is what we feel comfortable with, content in our own skin, not putting on masks to please the masses. I could go on and on about this topic, so i look foward to watching your blood-congealing spill. I have 2 daughties i'm trying to help see their own individual beauty and to stop gulping the low self-esteems of some of their 'friends', who swallow the mass(acre) media's idea of 'normal' whole. What are their parents teaching them? maybe they just can't see... many can't. More on feminism, laterz.
I read your friend-ships outside of Orble post, but Homey dearest and I don''t qualify, as i met him when i wasn't an Orbilisssst. I'm appreciate he introduced me to .. here. Now i'm a blog freak (but never a hog), thanks Homey ..
If i lack any tones of humour tonight; it's because the last two days have been totally f**d.. show me some love sisters..
*lol* <--- ooh a laugh...
I swear i was only going to write a few lines !!
~Lily
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
I don't carry around the guilt of retaliation...
MOSTEST decrees defend thyself, offend thy neighbour.
Just kidding! Nooo...we don't offend. Go off the deep end maybe...
What I mean is that I carry around the guilt of how I retaliated.
MOSTEST women have only one true code.
Thou shalt not judge another sister the way you do not want to be judged.
Or something like that. Requires a bit of work.
I think the beauty of being a MOSTEST Woman is that we can be "all toughlike and untouchable" when the need or desire arises...we can be really whatever we want...I suppose as long as we don't attack each other for being who we want to be, we're cool.
Ya know??
So...for me, if Victoria Beckham wants to be a...a...(stop. it.) a...a...whatever she is...then so be it.
Who am I to judge her?
(man...that was hard...yet, I feel myself grow...sighhhh)
fist thumps to my heart (ouch) for you mah sister
Dusk
ps. am crossing fingers, toes, eyes, t's....even roads... that you won't be able to drink pink champagne 'til late next year.
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
I was over at you place fascinated by the art and words of 'Amour Propre: Corrompu'. (link provided)
It's absolutely beautiful. And painful.
I think I have the gist of it...sort of...anyway I'll come to you to comment.
Funny...I wrote this but then deleted it.
I too have a lass, 16yo and be it so that I be biased but she is beautiful to behold. Even the sullen facade of teenage girlhood cannot hide her physical beauty. She is a 5'10" Amazon warrior.
Yet...despite the environment she grew up in...one where she has never heard her maternal guide say one negative word about her own body (because maternal guide couldn't really give a shit except when she's PMS-ing)...in a family of giants who walk proud, my daughter judges herself against the *freaks of nature decreed beautiful by girls magazines who also decree that girls should "embrace your faults"...faults???...WTF??? PLUS the females around her....my daughter's friends...
You know the type Lily so I'm not even going to get into it....
These young girls...wow...somethin' else...hell, they look me up and down. I become competition.
And it's like, "yeah okay little girl. Me... woman. You... not yet. If you're not careful, you never will be."
Oh boy...I certainly hope my children never read this...my 3rd son, his 17yo girlfriend...she's a very beautiful girl and she makes my son laugh and they have fun, although I do think they're a bit too serious too young (I'm so sure they have an anniversary to celebrate their first gift-giving day!!) but...she is very insecure...very possesive, very competitive for all the wrong reasons. My 3rd son has lost all his girl friends and I am angry at him for doing this.
Some of these girls have been his friend since kindy you know but...he is "in love"...I don't get this but oh well...
The thing is...my 18yo's 17yo girlfriend cannot stand it when my son hugs me or I hug him. The look on her face says it all.
Now that's f**ked up.
My apologies for my Vulgarity...am giving free rein to my 'voice' tonight...plus I'm indulging my British roots and having a G&T...and my husband is away and my kids are all occupied so I know I'm Orbling tonight!
Normal. Yeah.
"...beauty...inside..." True what you say...but what is inside shows through despite masks...as my 17yo quasi daughter-by-association proves.
Aaarggghhh. Why, why WHY?
Crap...just realized I must get to work on a rugby post...this is what my blog is primarily about anyway...whoops, sorry Orble powers that be.
Lily...I'm coming over to you.
I need you to feel the love that is gushing out from the Sisterhood.
If nothing else, I have been given the gift to recognise the beauty in everyone. I'm a freakin' walking cliche, I know, but this is the way I am.
My curse is I look cold and aloof. In the physical world I have to work against my stereotyping. Hence I cannot ever open the door to negativity.
Sheesh...who the heck am I channeling?? Deepak Chopra???
Lily please stop gagging.
Lily, Queen of Lilyland...I love the little girl who made a rhino nose...all the power of my solidarity and love to her...
yours in MOSTEST my sister
Dusk
*freaks of nature in a positive, physical sense
Comment by Lily
Ars Poetica
G&T, mother's little helper hey, i had a lil Lambrusco dell 'emilia helps. Let thy voice run free, unreigned ...
I learnt about the 'freaks of nature' in my art course when we were studying the proportions of the huuuman body. I remember feeling enlightened *lol
'Amour Propre; Corrompu' is exactly what we/you/i am talking about.. the corruption of self-love, it begins early and the loathing grows barnacles on young unknowing eyes.... this coming from me who read Dolly in her teens, to feel like a girl in a no-sister, all boy (3) family ... thank heavens i have 'a grip', but the little girl still pops in now and again.
my Little Rhino Girl, thanks you...
you make me laugh mountains (especially at "yeah okay little girl. Me... woman. You... not yet. If you're not careful, you never will be." ) .. no sons, no competition, lucky me (i think) .. although no doubt i may have the same when my nearly 16yo decides to bring one of her crushes, home (god help him)
thanks for the joy and love, Dusk ....
~Lily
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
You make me laugh. Snorts and cackles.
Your humour Andrea...it's wonderful!
Okay...as freaky as this will sound/read...when I think of you I smell caramel or condensed milk.
Andrea...come back...don't go, I'll explain...
My strongest sense guide for memory is smell. If I think of someone I can smell 'them'.
(Just started giggling as I wrote the above sentence... could 'hear' you say, "as long as it's not BO, love..."!!)
When I start forming an impression of someone...and this is something I have just recently discovered, because usually all other senses are in on the impression making, this is my first time forging virtual friendships....I can start 'smelling them.
It doesn't always make sense...("yeah Dusk my nutso UnLtd MOSTEST sister...caramel? Condensed milk???")
but this is how I get comfortable.
Thank you for your understanding words.
How did the PlaySchool woman fare???
Be well my MOSTEST Donii
Dusk
Comment by Andrea
V8 Supercar Pitstop
DAMN THAT PLAY SCHOOL WOMAN !!! Not a song out of tune, not a toy out of place. What is the world coming to?
And danm that Play School man. I don't even know his name. My son doesn't even know his name ... where's Simon Burke when you need him?
Caramel and condensed milk? Hmmmmm ... you'll have to leave that one with me, although you make me feel sweet (but maybe a little sickly) now. Just like the best caramel. I must ask ... is that low-fat condensed milk?
I do love a little chocolate with a caramel filled centre so I reckon you've hit the mark spot on.
And what about you, my dear MOSTEST Sister. What is your smell today? How can I recognise you?
Sleep tight and make sure the bed bugs don't bite (not unless you want them to).
A.H.
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
aka one too many G&Ts' last night!!
Sorry A.H. I know mentioning alcohol right now is like teasing um...a pregnant Donni with ambrosia.
What? Never mind. I'm a bit slooow today.
I only had 2 drinks...maybe I should have used a glass instead of a jug...kidding!
I'm a placebo drunk...give me water, tell me it's wine and I go off!!
I love the smell of condensed milk (fine. low fat it is)....it just comforts me. I feel cocooned. Like I'm with laughing with a long time friend, on the verandah of a rustic farmhouse, overlooking willow trees reaching for the stream...I'm at peace.
I'm a freak.
The bed bugs didn't bite...must have been the G&Ts...
Hope you are well Donii Sister.
Dusk
ps. open wide, come inside..it's Cliche(ayyyyy) School. Too damn perfect. Not a toy out of place?? What are they? Stepfords??
Comment by Lily
Ars Poetica
laffing my ass off....
~Lily
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
I am just about to head over to your place. See you there...
Dusk
Comment by K.L. Almeroth
Motherhood
To Darling Dusk and Alcohol-Free A.H.
Miss you girls, too, when you're not around!
Obviously you were all having fun last night....that's if I can work out these stupid Orble times that come up with comments....that are sooo not accurate....
That would make all of us freaks that stay up all night writing on here....
Whoops....now I just insulted everybody and myself....since that's what we all do!!!!
Now I know what you two smell like (ew...did that sound gross to anybody else??)....I have a question...
What do I smell like to you two????
Alright, gotta read some more posts...
Your sissy sis,
K.L.
Comment by Andrea
V8 Supercar Pitstop
Pink bubbles, jam fingers and Cherry Ripe.
A.H.
Comment by Andrea
V8 Supercar Pitstop
Verandahs, farmhouses, Willow trees, streams. Sounds beautiful, fun, peaceful.
Just don't forget the bubbly!
Simon Burke was back in Play School today ... they've earned a reprieve. For now.
Have a completely stunning Friday night my MOSTEST Sister.
A.H.
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
To me...you smell like an apple in a magnolia orchard.
Do not ask me why because I do not know.
The image that this smell conjures up K.L. is all these beautiful aromatic satiny magnolias gently dancing with the breeze and through the blanket of softness and dreaminess of their petal skirts, an apple can be seen...glinting shades of red and yes, pink with a crispness that is refreshing and strong and a definite flavour of conviction, the rind doesn't bend when pushed...it's firm with who it is this apple seen amongst a magnolia breeze...the apple is the core of the magnolia orchard...
It may make no sense to you but this is how I 'see' people.
Even the people in my reality.
I have no idea what my smell 'looks' like. I don't think of myself like that when I think of who I am. It's hard to describe the essence of your own personality using this sense.
In reality I smell like vanilla (oil) and cocoa butter (body lotion).
It is my husband's smell image that is the strongest with me...even just writing this, I am surrounded by it...a smell of pine, ocean and (sigh) freshly baked bread.
Til we speak again...unless I've completely freaked you out!!
Dusk
Comment by Lily
Ars Poetica
how well you use dreaming words .. please, write a poem, pleeeeeeeeeeeeease lol
tonight i smell of rye and eucalyptus (throat loz)
~Lily
shopping for shoes
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
I use my words poetically...I'm not a Poet...this is the domain of Word Alchemists like you and Homer...
Til we speak again ~Lily love...enjoy...
Dusk
Comment by K.L. Almeroth
Motherhood
To DD,
All you say and do is beautiful....not freaky in any way!!
I love this! Will print it and hang it on my motivating corkboard that hangs above my desk...so I can see it always!
Truly beautiful...
But I expected no less of such a truly beautiful person....
Your apple (fitting that I birthed a Cherry, hey?),
K.L.
Comment by K.L. Almeroth
Motherhood
To my caramely A.H.
I love you!! Sweetest thing anyone's ever said to me....about from DD's comments! They're pretty damn sweet, too!
Funny what you said I smell like...my husband says pretty much the EXACT THING.
(Freaky Twilight Zone music playing)
Going to bed, girls....taught my actual Cherry Ripe to swim this arvo...was tiring work (and the most fun ever!!).
K.L.
Comment by K.L. Almeroth
Motherhood
To the other lovely ladies commenting on DD's site,
Can't think of any other girls more deserving of the MOSTEST credentials!
Just thought I'd mention that....sorry for butting in there, DD...
K.L.
Comment by Vixter
People
Diet Food Lifestyle
CHEATERS
All I know is that I am guilty of being a judge, and I have felt the wrath of other women many times, especially in the work place..it's hard to be nice without being patronised and the one that is walked on. But there is one thing..I always try to be good to women in the workplace in return - no matter how hard I have found it.
I am a pretty trusting person, so when i am betrayed, it hurts a lot (still talking the workplace here) but I thnk that you have to put yourself out there and keep the karma positive so that other women can feel cofortable out there too.
I hope that made sense
Comment by Optomistic Opportunism
Japanese Jazz Funk
Optomystic Opportunism
Feminism - equal rights for both sexes, and let a girl be a PM/president every once in a while.
The women that complain about others flaunting what they've got - they don't really mean it. Me, I worry about the singlet in the middle of winter set, but I understand. Easy way of getting attention. (Guys AND girls)
'ere's to ya toothless grin, kin