The Wallabies need a coach. Australians need not apply.
August 7th 2007 03:00
Ohhh the hypocrisy.
After the furore (yes furore!) over Eddie Jones defecting to the Bok side...I can't wait to see how John O'Neill, CEO, MD & RW* of ARU, justifies this.
Apparently...Robbie Deans as the next Wallabies coach is virtually a "done deal"— and could happen even if the All Blacks lose the World Cup in France in September-October.
Oh. Ohh.kayy.
So if the All Blacks lose, the ARU will reward any Kiwi Coach?
What one has to do with the other is beyond me, seeing as Deans is not the All Blacks coach.
Why I say this is because the NZRU has a history of sacking their 'failed' coaches...and the ARU has a history of hiring them. The sacked NZ ones.
Robbie Deans is the current Crusadsacked -ha!- (Canterbury Crusaders) coach and a former All Black.
Dean was also Assistant to former All Blacks coach, John Mitchell, who is now the coach of Australia's newest Super 14 team, the Western Force.
Mitchell is a great coach.
I can happily acknowledge that, now that he is an Australian coach. He was fired as All Blacks coach after the ABs failed to make the grade RWC 03.
It's not Mitchell's fault that the Wallabies played a perfect game that semi final night. Oh sigh...that was such a good night...
I felt very sorry for him and was okay with him being a foreigner/NZ-er/alien/Peter Garrett lokkalike and hired as an Australian Super 14 coach...the Force is with his team...BUT...even though many Australian coaches have led overseas teams and I've never had a problem with that...I have a major problem with this.
A New Zealander coaching the Australian Rugby team.
It's not like we don't have contenders here. Hey...I coulda been one...well, no, not really...not at all actually but I'm allowed tocrap on dream...
And HELL...can you imagine the uproar in NZ if the All Blacks hired an Australian coach?????
Yes...there are Australians coaching the provincial sides but not the national sides. That's a different kettle of something. The provincial (Super 14) competition pits countryman against countryman and the countrymen are from all over the world.
The reason why so many Australian coaches go offshore is because their general direction is not even spat at by the ARU.
Or else they sleep with a high ranking ARU official's wife but that's another story and one I can't substantiate...and sure, Coaching is a job like any other where certain skill sets and a certain level of success makes one desirable internationally and sure Rugby is a professional sport with global appeal and sure, Deans is probably the most successful provincial coach in the world but...
This the wrong wrong WRONG thing to do.
Even Rugby greats like Nick Farr-Jones and Greg Martin have voiced their opinions against it.
Farr-Jones:
Greg Martin:
Both Farr-Jones and Martin have said that they have the utmost respect for Deans but...there are many Australians who are up to the task.
Ewen McKenzie, Laurie Fisher and David Nucifora are leading local contenders.
Nucifora -former coach of the Brumbies- is currently coach of the Auckland Blues, Fisher is the current coach of the Brumbies and McKenzie is the current coach of the NSW Waratahs.
Out of these 3...Fisher is the only one worth contention..not because he's the best but because the other just don't have 'it'.
McKenzie has failed to ignite the Waratahs and Nucifora?...well...he was not liked at the Brumbies and they went on to win the 2004 Super (then) 12 despite him.
Grand Slam-winning Wallaby skipper Andrew Slack also agrees;
...but Slack also said that he wouldn't necessarily rule out a candidate because they came from overseas:
Slacker. Although there may be a grain of truth in that...
I would take anyone...a.n.y.o.n.e. else over John O'Neill as head of the Australian Rugby Union.
O'Neill has made it very clear earlier this week, that he was "very keen" to secure Deans' services. The man has a horn.
Farr-Jones made his comments at a luncheon at Ballymore, when the hot issue of John Connolly's successor was raised...and where O'Neill deflected the accusation he was compelled to play kingmaker and try to
from Fox Sports
I want a mutiny and I want it now. After everything this pansy has said about Jones coaching the Boks...
...and I wonder how Connolly feels about all this? And has anyone bothered to ask The Wallabies?...you know?...the actual players that provide the reason for the ARU being?
You DO NOT 'play' with the very fabric of the Wallabies culture.
Their national pride.
The Wallabies are Wallabies not just because they wanted to play Rugby...but because they wanted to play Rugby for Australia.
Additional info:
from Rugby Heaven
*Resident Wanker
excerpts from Rugby Heaven and Fox Sports
image courtesy of SquashNZ
After the furore (yes furore!) over Eddie Jones defecting to the Bok side...I can't wait to see how John O'Neill, CEO, MD & RW* of ARU, justifies this.
Apparently...Robbie Deans as the next Wallabies coach is virtually a "done deal"— and could happen even if the All Blacks lose the World Cup in France in September-October.
Oh. Ohh.kayy.
So if the All Blacks lose, the ARU will reward any Kiwi Coach?
What one has to do with the other is beyond me, seeing as Deans is not the All Blacks coach.
Why I say this is because the NZRU has a history of sacking their 'failed' coaches...and the ARU has a history of hiring them. The sacked NZ ones.
Robbie Deans is the current Crusadsacked -ha!- (Canterbury Crusaders) coach and a former All Black.
Dean was also Assistant to former All Blacks coach, John Mitchell, who is now the coach of Australia's newest Super 14 team, the Western Force.
Mitchell is a great coach.
I can happily acknowledge that, now that he is an Australian coach. He was fired as All Blacks coach after the ABs failed to make the grade RWC 03.
It's not Mitchell's fault that the Wallabies played a perfect game that semi final night. Oh sigh...that was such a good night...
I felt very sorry for him and was okay with him being a foreigner/NZ-er/alien/Peter Garrett lokkalike and hired as an Australian Super 14 coach...the Force is with his team...BUT...even though many Australian coaches have led overseas teams and I've never had a problem with that...I have a major problem with this.
A New Zealander coaching the Australian Rugby team.
It's not like we don't have contenders here. Hey...I coulda been one...well, no, not really...not at all actually but I'm allowed to
And HELL...can you imagine the uproar in NZ if the All Blacks hired an Australian coach?????
Yes...there are Australians coaching the provincial sides but not the national sides. That's a different kettle of something. The provincial (Super 14) competition pits countryman against countryman and the countrymen are from all over the world.
The reason why so many Australian coaches go offshore is because their general direction is not even spat at by the ARU.
Or else they sleep with a high ranking ARU official's wife but that's another story and one I can't substantiate...and sure, Coaching is a job like any other where certain skill sets and a certain level of success makes one desirable internationally and sure Rugby is a professional sport with global appeal and sure, Deans is probably the most successful provincial coach in the world but...
This the wrong wrong WRONG thing to do.
Even Rugby greats like Nick Farr-Jones and Greg Martin have voiced their opinions against it.
Farr-Jones:
"Sitting in the dressing shed with five minutes to go before a Test with a Kiwi coach doing the revving up . . . I don't think so," said Farr-Jones, Australia's victorious World Cup-leader of 1991.
"I'm very nervous on this as a possible direction. It wouldn't be Australian.
..."But, this country has so many chief executives in so many areas of expertise, you can't tell me there isn't an Australian rugby coach out there."
"I'm very nervous on this as a possible direction. It wouldn't be Australian.
..."But, this country has so many chief executives in so many areas of expertise, you can't tell me there isn't an Australian rugby coach out there."
Greg Martin:
"I reckon there is something special about being coached by a coach from your country," Martin said.
"I would hate to think that it was somebody other than an Australian - we don't need anyone else."
"I would hate to think that it was somebody other than an Australian - we don't need anyone else."
Both Farr-Jones and Martin have said that they have the utmost respect for Deans but...there are many Australians who are up to the task.
Ewen McKenzie, Laurie Fisher and David Nucifora are leading local contenders.
Nucifora -former coach of the Brumbies- is currently coach of the Auckland Blues, Fisher is the current coach of the Brumbies and McKenzie is the current coach of the NSW Waratahs.
Out of these 3...Fisher is the only one worth contention..not because he's the best but because the other just don't have 'it'.
McKenzie has failed to ignite the Waratahs and Nucifora?...well...he was not liked at the Brumbies and they went on to win the 2004 Super (then) 12 despite him.
Grand Slam-winning Wallaby skipper Andrew Slack also agrees;
"I would like to think there would be an Australian who could do the job to be truthful."
...but Slack also said that he wouldn't necessarily rule out a candidate because they came from overseas:
"I think with five minutes to go I would be listening to a coach whose opinions and principles and knowledge I respect regardless of the country he comes from rather than listening to an Australian I didn't respect," he said.
Slacker. Although there may be a grain of truth in that...
I would take anyone...a.n.y.o.n.e. else over John O'Neill as head of the Australian Rugby Union.
O'Neill has made it very clear earlier this week, that he was "very keen" to secure Deans' services. The man has a horn.
Farr-Jones made his comments at a luncheon at Ballymore, when the hot issue of John Connolly's successor was raised...and where O'Neill deflected the accusation he was compelled to play kingmaker and try to
replicate his masterstroke with Dutch coach Guus Hiddink when Australian soccer boss
from Fox Sports
"The Socceroos needed a tournament guru. Hiddink was marvellous for the World Cup campaign but I'm very aware that the same formula might not apply to Australian rugby," O'Neill said.
"Deans...credentials are pretty good....It doesn't mean he's a shoo-in by any stretch of the imagination."
O'Neill said he didn't feel compromised by the revelation in his autobiography, It's Only A Game, that he wanted Deans to replace Eddie Jones as Wallaby coach in early 2004.
O'Neill yesterday revealed the six-man panel that will decide the coach to follow Connolly after the World Cup.
New ARU high-performance manager Pat Howard, ARU board members Rod McCall and Mark Connors and former HPU chiefs Jeff Miller and Brett Robinson will work with O'Neill to make a coaching recommendation.
"Deans...credentials are pretty good....It doesn't mean he's a shoo-in by any stretch of the imagination."
O'Neill said he didn't feel compromised by the revelation in his autobiography, It's Only A Game, that he wanted Deans to replace Eddie Jones as Wallaby coach in early 2004.
O'Neill yesterday revealed the six-man panel that will decide the coach to follow Connolly after the World Cup.
New ARU high-performance manager Pat Howard, ARU board members Rod McCall and Mark Connors and former HPU chiefs Jeff Miller and Brett Robinson will work with O'Neill to make a coaching recommendation.
I want a mutiny and I want it now. After everything this pansy has said about Jones coaching the Boks...
...and I wonder how Connolly feels about all this? And has anyone bothered to ask The Wallabies?...you know?...the actual players that provide the reason for the ARU being?
You DO NOT 'play' with the very fabric of the Wallabies culture.
Their national pride.
The Wallabies are Wallabies not just because they wanted to play Rugby...but because they wanted to play Rugby for Australia.
Additional info:
from Rugby Heaven
Deans' coaching team may include more New Zealanders, with former Ireland and Wasps coach Warren Gatland yesterday mentioned as a possible assistant Wallabies coach.
The ARU is confident it will secure Deans, despite the New Zealand Rugby Union fervently believing that he will remain at the Canterbury Crusaders after his contract was extended recently for another year.
But this has not deterred those at the ARU wanting Deans to take over. They believe he is the ideal person to revitalise a flagging Wallaby culture, which has had divisions involving coaching staff and Test players over the past year.
If, as expected, NZ wins the World Cup, the path will be clear for Deans to join the Wallabies. There is even a belief that if he becomes the Wallabies' coach, the NZRU may release him from his Crusaders contract early.
Although Deans has been identified as the next All Blacks coach, if Graham Henry's entourage of coaches fails to secure the World Cup in October, NZ sources yesterday said that other prominent identities also will be considered.
If, as expected, NZ wins the World Cup, the path will be clear for Deans to join the Wallabies. There is even a belief that if he becomes the Wallabies' coach, the NZRU may release him from his Crusaders contract early.
Although Deans has been identified as the next All Blacks coach, if Graham Henry's entourage of coaches fails to secure the World Cup in October, NZ sources yesterday said that other prominent identities also will be considered.
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excerpts from Rugby Heaven and Fox Sports
image courtesy of SquashNZ
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Comment by Andrea
V8 Supercar Pitstop
MackensieMcKenzie.Nick F-J made a good point when he said:
Well, good luck to him anyway ... sounds like he might need it.
Big hugs
Cara.xxxx
Comment by David
Forget about boot camps. The Wallabies will have to go to a NZ-speak school and learn a new language if they appoint Deans.
David ...
Comment by KylieW
Celebrity Obsession
But we rock at Rugby. Surely there'd be at least 1 Australian coach capable of coaching the Wallabies.
O'Neill has a nerve to have a go at Eddie Jones when he was bringing in a Kiwi to coach the Wallabies!!! Tosser.
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
Not biased at all.
I think that Rugby should be spelled L A R K H A M, so... why not E Mackensie?...
Ewen is a good sort, real bloke's bloke, family type, etc, was a good enough Rugby player, was a Forward (they make the best coaches because only they understand that the key to winning is through the Forward motion), has great skills and manner as a coach and out of the 3...he has the best pedigree.
He just doesn't have flair. Neither do the other 2.
What we do neeed is a Rod Macqueen clone. Rod was the perfect coach. Respected by his players and he in turn, gave them respect and never forgot that ultimately, it's about them, not the coach.
Deans has a lot of flair and energy and if he wasn't a Kiwi...he'd be perfect.
Big hugs Cara...
Dusk
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
Why would The Wallabuz need to do that?
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
From the little I know about what's happening in soccer, I figured this is why the Dutch guy was brought in.
There is...the ARU just can't be bothered training them 'up' to test standard.
hugs hon...hope you're well..
Dusk
Comment by Chic Critique
I think it's pronounced Robbey Deeeynz.
I can't write a Kiwi accent!!
Hope you're good!
Cheers
CC
Comment by Patricia
Travel Stripe
You're absolutely right! No Kiwi should be coaching an Aussie team. and vice-versa. Is he really going to give it his best? Would an Aussie with the All Blacks
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
Eeek!...I know! My posts are too long...
I have this problem with my 'real life' job as well, which is why I'm glad that editors exist!
They have to tell me that the word count for such and such feature is 1000 words less than it actually is in order to get a piece that is just right.
Problem is...I write unedited here. I just open a post and write. Which is wrong.
Hey...write and wrong...tee hee...see? I have a very short attention span sometimes...
It's also rather rude of me to write such long posts because it's not fair on the reader to gather info in this format, if the post is longer than the eye can see.
In a magazine...the turning of the page creates a break.
And I've done it again.
...my comments are far too long too.
I'm going to stop now.
Really. I am.
...giggle...
Hope you're well Chic...thanks for coming by...
Dusk
Comment by Ash
Australian Traveller
Flashes of memories
I reckon this poses a problem which spills out into the whole work force actually. There is so much focus on finding foreign skilled workers when you have so many perfectly able bodied people right here on Australian soil.
And let`s face it when you are passionate about a sport like Rugby you are, even if it`s subconscioulsy, going to be sitting on the sidelines watching the team you coach play against the team of your birth country... and secretly hope that your coached team are going to lose! that`s only human... well in my head it is anyways!
Hope you had a good weekend
hugs
ash
Comment by DuskDevi
Rugby World Cup 2007
Just before the First Bledisloe in Melbourne, the Fox Sports team was chatting with John Mitchell and they asked him, which team he was rooting for...and he did say The Wallabies but, you could tell...that moment's hesitation...his heart will always be an NZ-er.
Mitchell may be an Australian Super 14 coach but he is a former All Black and a former All Black coach. It's unfair to think that these people are sooooo professional that the emotional side of things don't come in to play.
...which leads me to my point. Finally.
I do believe that a Coach, in this instance, will give it his best...in professional terms, for provincial teams.
For national teams?
It's the emotional, the patriotic, the intrinsic pride that will subconciously create a barrier between giving everything to the former enemy side.
It's not a fair thing to ask the Coaches to project and the players to accept.
Deans...if given a choice...AB assistant coach or Wallabies Coach...I'd be very very surprised if he chose the latter.
Thanks for coming by Patricia...it's good to 'see' you.
Dusk
Comment by DuskDevi
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Yes I agree;
...this happens on every rung of the working ladder.
What I really get angry about is the amount of foreign CEOs, etc that get BIG bucks in US currency to 'show' us the way...to bankruptcy.
I also agree with what you say there. I wrote something about this in my reply comment to Patricia (above).
Good to see you Ash...hugs hon....
Dusk
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